Tuesday, June 19, 2007

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Well, I've been back "full time" now for a few weeks, and some things just don't change. I've been posting a lot primarily at ThinkProgress (affectionately known to us as "TP"), and it's likely that most of you visiting this blog know me from there. I thank all of you for coming back. Now that I can do this from home, I can do it more often. Before, when I could only do this from my computer at work, I either had to stay late, come in early, or sneak in for a few minutes during the day. It wasn't quite working out, hence my ban from internet access at work.

Anywho, I've noticed that TP still has a problem with trolls. Trolls are people who jump into a topic and post false, misleading, deceptive or inflammatory remarks with the sole purpose of derailing the conversation so that we waste our time, and the site master's bandwidth. They often have no rational basis for the things they say. They know that if they jump in and say something like, "Liberals are baby-killers," they'll get a reaction. They aren't interested in discussing anything rationally. They're just trying to piss us off. Unfortuantely, they all too often succeed.

The ironic thing is that while they often accuse us of trying to suppress free speech, if you go to one of the more popular conservative websites (such as Redstate.org) and post something even the tiniest bit critical of Bush or Republicans in general, they ban you. (At least, that's what some have said.) I guess the truth hurts.

So, my experiences since I returned to the blogosphere inspired me to write another song parody. This is to the tune of The Beatles' "I've Just Seen a Face". (Original words and music by John Lennon and Paul McCartney.) I wanted to have it finished by yesterday, but I couldn't quite get it done. Consider it a belated birthday present to Sir (James) Paul McCartney, whose birthday was the 18th. I hope you enjoy it. As usual, thank you Jane for your help and advice.

I've Just Seen a Post
by Wayne A. Schneider

I’ve just seen a post I can’t resist
What he did boast and I insist
He check his facts for me,
And I want all the world to see
He lied.
Lie-lie-lie-la-la-lied.

Had he not been so absurd
I might have let him have his word.
But I have never been so mad,
I never saw a post as bad
As this.
Dum-dum-dum-duh-duh-dumb

Trolling, yes he is trolling
And he keeps rolling
Them out again

I just sit and moan
When I see shit like this I’ve known
To be untrue, but still it gets to me,
And everyone can plainly see
He lies
Lie-lie-lie-la-la-lie

Trolling, yes he is trolling
And he keeps rolling
Them out again

Trolling, yes he is trolling
And he keeps rolling
Them out again

I’ve just seen a post I can’t resist
What he did boast and I insist
He check his facts for me,
And I want all the world to see
He lied.
mmm-mmm-mmm-la-la-lie

Trolling, yes he is trolling
And he keeps rolling
Them out again

Trolling, yes he is trolling
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Them out again

Oh, Trolling, yes he is trolling
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Them out again

56 comments:

Anonymous said...

Damn it! Now that song is stuck in my head.

Nice one, Wayne.

Zooey

Anonymous said...

Kudos!

Do not feed the trolls

Your Conscience

Wayne said...

LOL,awsome song.

Anonymous said...

I agree there are many Trolls that cannot debate at all. I am guilty of trolling another way quite often though. I sort of use something I call "reverse trolling" (Patented by Tundra Inc. and can only be used with expressed written permission).

Here's how it works:
A topic is posted saying something like "– RNC account use far greater than believed: Despite White House spokesperson Dana Perino’s claim that 50 White House officials used RNC email accounts “over the course of the administration,” the committee learned that at least 88 White House officials had RNC e-mail accounts."

I then point out that "having" and "using" e-mail accounts are two different things.

Notice I didn't "Defend" having them, I didn't say anything about the legality of them being there.

Next I sit and wait. (Refresh) (Refresh). Usually sooner than later someone one pops up and says something like "How can you say that! I guess the constitution doesn't mean anything to you!!! Article Blah Blah Blah says you can't do that (Mental note: Tundra look that up later cause you will need it in some discussion). I then enter a symantec debate for a minute and get them (or someone else who takes it all wrong) to throw some other statute at me that I can use later. Let them continue down their little path until they generalize the heck out of me (Doesn't take long) and then ask for an example of whenever I said such things.

Basically I don't "defend" any position, but use each one to learn a little something. Granted it is often a little off topic (See above) but it fosters discussions.

All sides have trolls though, You spoke of TP. There are many trolls on the Left there as well. They are the ones that in every discussion say "Bushco and Rethuglicans are all pedophiles etc.", "See another example of why all CONservatives hate Amerikkka". They never discuss the topic (Or heck any topic for that matter) and only have their blind hatred for everything Bush to guide them. Sadly posters like that on either side don't do any party justice.

I have alot to learn about politics and political history myself, but I try and limit the amount of times I say something I can't back up with hard facts (and at least try and admit when I do)

That's why I like discussing things with you guys, you actually read what is written and respond to that. There are alot of people who take a statement and put it in either the Black or White pile of things and ASSUME you are against their view.

-Tundra

SKdeA said...

Hi Wayne! Hi Jane! Nice song! when does the album of parodies come out?

Hi Tundra, fancy meeting you here.
I hope you don't consider me a "libtroll" - I may not always have a lot to say, but I am interested in learning more (and the more I lean about Republicans, the more I love my cat, as the saying goes). I have never thought you were a troll, BTW, you are obviously thinking before typing.

Anonymous said...

Here is an example of the good old days. Honest discussion with out the "Name Calling"

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/rep-charles-taylor-r-nc/

Everyone (We know anyway) was polite and stated a case, listened to the other sides. Wayne you disagreed with me on it, but there wasn't the ever so prevelant "Personal insults" flying around (Not that you ever do). You have to have the patience of a saint though cause sometimes I can't help myself. heh

-Tundra

Anonymous said...

Heya Skeda!

No, not at all, the "libtrolls" usually only stick around a couple weeks and then are bored because they have no new ways to spell conservative. Some of the Republican ones, just don't bore easy (Guess it's why they are still supporting Bush. Motivated people, you have to give them that) and stick around like a case of Herpes.

We haven't had a whole lot of discussions but you never struck me as a troll by any means. One of the big things I like about Wayne and Jane is that they can disagree, have a good discussion and we all realize there are many different opinions out there. A different opinion doesn't make someone a bad person.

A discussion on trolls, finally something I can get into, heh. But feel free to challenge my view on anything on TP, I won't take it personal and love the discussions, helps me grow.

Oh yeah, sometimes I do "Devil's Advocate" a position to see what the real objection people have to it is or if they are just party line dancing.

-Tundra

Wayne A. Schneider said...

Thank you Zooey, Your Conscience, Wayne, SKdA, and Tundra. I appreciate the visit. Glad you all liked my work, that makes me feel like it was worth doing.

Tundra,
I learn more and more every day, too, such as your M.O. (And at least one of your "secret indentities.) :)

Unless I'm dealing with someone I detest, I try to be civil. I go to TP to try to hone my debating skills, as it helps me solidify my own position on things. The better I can articulate my points of view, the more secure I feel about them. For me, the trick is to try to focus on what the person is trying to say, rather than the wauy they are saying it. For many people, words fail them at times. When I see a troll (like The Joker) show up and say contradictory things (sometimes in one post), I tend to dismiss them or I decide to have fun with them. [If The Joker had not jumped out and attacked me and Jay Randal by calling us "Muslim agentas", I probably would have ignored him. And despite his denials (he obviously has his facts wrong), I was not convinced he wasn't a paid troll.]

And, of course, I can't stay serious all the time, hence the reason you're all here on this particular post. The Third Party one below is more serious, though, and I would really like to see more people have the courage to consider "firing" the Democratic and Republican parties. Let them all go to the Green Party, the Right-to-Life Party, the Liberal Party and the Conservative Party, and I wouldn't care if they got re-elected, provided they were spread around. But we, as a nation, have to get away from this idea that there are two, and only two, sides to every issue. Often there are many.

Thanks, again for coming by. Everyone.

Anonymous said...

(And at least one of your "secret indentities.) :)

I was worried after I wrote it that someone would think I was the poster "Devils Advocate". Not the case, always just me.

I should have said "I play the Devils Advocate"

Sorry for the confusion :)

-Tundra

squegeebooo said...

Here is an example of the good old days. Honest discussion with out the "Name Calling"

Must have been a thread with out me in it then.

-squegeebooo

squegeebooo said...

HA! I didn't even see the song, Tundra just sent me the comments thread, fine wordsmithing Wayne.


As for trolling, I do a bit of what Tundra does, however the majority of mine just go towards the inane. If I can some how insult/mock anything with out going to far I go for it. Then, once the people are pissed at me, if the discussion is worth it I slip into semantics mode and just have fun pointing out logical fallacies in the other sides arguement.

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